Identifying Steering Wheel Button Packets - An Example

i like this approach, i will try it later. thanks

No problems at all - hopefully all that is of some help!

In phase "Connect CBT Hardware", I am stuck at step 3. wiring the low speed can bus. I am using this diagram which indicates my low speed can is on OBD wire 3 and 11:
https://plus.google.com/110529970729409407854/posts/UcMB38kwRqb?pid=6128773130273387122&oid=110529970729409407854
In my latest attempt, I rewired the OBD cable and I first only connected the red wire to OBD pin 3 and set the baud rate to 250kbps in the source code. No data. Next, I connected the green wire to OBD pin 11 as well; now I have the Airbag warning and 2 fuses blown again :-(
The things I tried before this are described in another thread:
http://forum.canb.us/discussion/82/807-backers-and-this-is-all-thats-happening#latest
I really wish I knew how to do the wiring so I can log low speed can data....

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Thanks James!

Once I get the Beta release of the app done this will be quite a bit easier.

@Derek‌ -no worries!

@henk_kuipers‌ I don't know a thing about Volvos but CAN is a low voltage data line and shouldn't be fused anywhere. If connecting the two pins to your CBT blows a fuse I'd check your wiring to see exactly what those 2 pins do.

I'd pull the OBD connector from the car and trace the physical wires to confirm they are what you expect them to be. I've found discrepancies between the VW wiring manuals and the reality of the cars, so check that's not the issue in your case alsoz.

@henk_kuipers - woa blowing fuses... scary. Yeah this definitly should not be happening. Here are a couple of things to check:

  1. If you rewired the OBD cable that came with your CBT. Be careful as the wires do not seem to tin (take on solder) very well. you may have had a connection come lose that is now shorting things out. You might want to open it up and give it a visual inspection.
  2. Again if you are rewiring the cable that came with the CBT. Be careful that you have not rotated the PCB inside the plastic shroud that mates with the cars OBD port. If this some how got rotated... Pin 16 on the PCB will now be mating with the Pin 1 of your vehicle... you can check you have it the right way by looking at the shape of the shroud in this picture and making sure your pin 1 is in the right location. <a href="http://developer.mbed.org/media/uploads/fossum_13/xobdii_port1070929671.jpg.pagespeed.ic.GdyXCBV7-t.jpg">OBD-II Pinout </a>
  3. If you have a simple DMM you should do some voltage and short circuit tests.
  4. Make sure you get the pin numbers right going into the CBT. That two row male header can be confusing. See the below pinout with more pin numbers shown.
    <img src="http://i57.tinypic.com/vrajc8.jpg" />

Disconnect the battery and measure between the two can lines. Since they're terminated with two 120 resistors parallel, you should measure 60 ohms. Remember to do resistance measurements only with the battery disconnected!

This is a handy page to check some things on a CANbus.

http://www.alldatadiy.com/alldatadiy/DIY~G~C45827~R0~OD~N/0/138181779/138629620/138629625/138629629/34853741/92093561/100406664/100406677/118664746/160079300

Thanks for all the helpful ideas guys! Hopefully, my next attempt is more succesful now :-) I am getting better and better at soldering wires, that's for sure :))

My latest attempt is in another thread because it looks like KidTurbo's problem:
<a href="http://forum.canb.us/discussion/comment/350/#Comment_350">forum.canb.us/discussion/comment/350/#Comment_350</a>

Wiring trouble is over so I am trying to make sense of the low speed CAN data. I continued to follow the steps above (very useful description, thanks!). I gathered data in different settings that make sense to compare but now I need to set message filters to do some trial and error. However, when issuing the logging with filtering commands I receive 1 message (in my case JSON output) and then logging stops. A need to power cycle the CBT to get logging going again and I don't succeed in setting any message filters at all. I use CoolTerm and send HEX commands like:
03010100D800C8 - log Bus 1 and filter message ID 00D8 and 00C8
03010100400058 - log Bus 1 and filter message ID 0040 and 0058
The ID's are valid ID's from my logfiles. Is my syntax wrong?

<b>Am I sending correct CAN packets?</b>
I am making some modest progress. Because I couldn't get the serial filter command to work I have changed the JSON output code in SerialCommand.h so it shows Message ID and payload of only one particular message ID. A very basic filter. By trial and error, I found the messages of events that occur when for instance the mirrors are folded, the doors are locked, the windows go up/down and the fan (up/down). Finally some meaning in all that data :-)
On to the next challenge, send some CAN packets to make something happen. No successful attempts so far. Hopefully someone can see what is going wrong. For example, when I fold the mirrors I see these messages:
"id":"50","payload":["0","5B","40","5","D9","3","4","0"] - folding
"id":"50","payload":["0","5B","40","5","89","3","4","0"] - finished
"id":"50","payload":["0","5B","40","5","E9","3","4","0"] - unfolding
"id":"50","payload":["0","5B","40","5","89","3","4","0"] - finished
Logging in HEX looks like this:
00 50 00 5B 40 05 89 03 04 00 08
00 50 00 5B 40 05 D9 03 04 00 08
00 50 00 5B 40 05 E9 03 04 00 08
So, I was hoping I could trigger the 'folding/unfolding mirrors " action by sending the following packets:
02010050005B4005D903040008
02010050005B4005E903040008
I thought:
0201 = send on bus 1, 0050 = message id, 005B4005D9030400=payload, 08 = length
But nothing happens. I tried the windows and door lock commands too but no luck. I think I have to recycle the CBT after each failure to try again, so that's what I do...
<b>Another question:</b> in CoolTerm you can set the Transmit option "Terminate send string data" with 0D 0A, should this setting be active? I tried it with and without but it didn't make a difference.

<b>Two things made it easier for me to identify messages:</b>

  1. Change the code so you get JSON output (remove comment "//" before the #define JSON_OUT in SerialCommand.h as mentioned serveral places on the forum).
  2. I altered the JSON output code a bit so I could filter one single message ID , this way I could see if messages change when pressing buttons. It is not a big deal but it helped me a lot in finding out what is going on, this is what I changed:

Original code:

#ifdef JSON_OUT
Output to serial as json string
activeSerial->print(F("{"packet": {"status":""));
activeSerial->print( msg.busStatus,HEX);
activeSerial->print(F("","channel":""));
activeSerial->print( busses[msg.busId-1].name );
activeSerial->print(F("","length":""));
activeSerial->print(msg.length,HEX);

if (msg.frame_id==0x0078)
{
activeSerial->print(F(""id":""));
activeSerial->print(msg.frame_id,HEX);
activeSerial->print(F("","timestamp":""));
activeSerial->print(millis(),DEC);
activeSerial->print(F("","payload":[""));
for (int i=0; i<8; i++) {
activeSerial->print(msg.frame_data[i],HEX);
if( i<7 ) activeSerial->print(F("",""));
}
activeSerial->print(F(""]"));
activeSerial->println();
}

Changed code that replaces the above:

#ifdef JSON_OUT

if (msg.frame_id==0x0078) // <b>->change this message ID figure out if it changes when you press buttons in the car</b>
{
activeSerial->print(F(""id":""));
activeSerial->print(msg.frame_id,HEX);
activeSerial->print(F("","payload":[""));
for (int i=0; i<8; i++) {
activeSerial->print(msg.frame_data[i],HEX);
if( i<7 ) activeSerial->print(F("",""));
}
activeSerial->print(F(""]"));
activeSerial->println();
}
Disadvantage of this method is that you need to compile and upload the code for each message ID you want to test. It's a drag but it works.

If I have specific message id's how can I look just that data up?

0x01F0A000

AEMnet Revision 2013-05-29
CAN 2.0
29 bit format unless otherwise specified
500 kBit/sec unless otherwise specified
8 data bytes/message
All multi-byte data packed big endian unless specified (most significant byte transmitted first)
All bits numbered with the LSB = bit0, MSB = bit7

Message ID: 0x01F0A000
Source: AEM V2 EMS/Infinity (P/N 30-6XXX/30-71XX)
Target: Any
Rate: 16.6ms continuous
Byte Label Data Type Scaling Offset Range
0 Engine Speed 16 bit unsigned 0.39063 rpm/bit 0 0 to 25,599.94
1
2 Engine Load* 16 bit unsigned 0.00261230481157781 5.48000026028603 0 to 99.998 %
3
4 Throttle 16 bit unsigned 0.0015259 %/bit 0 0 to 99.998 %
5
6 Air Temp 8 bit signed, 2's complement 1 Deg C/bit 0 -128 to 127 C
7 Coolant Temp 8 bit signed, 2's complement 1 Deg C/bit 0 -128 to 127 C

Log
https://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.hipchat.com/17476/678926/5yP6DoV7L8ua0ME/CoolTerm Capture 2015-04-04 15-04-13.txt

Hi TheBoz, have you tried to change the code of SerialCommand.h the way I did? Have you downloaded the source from Github and done a compile & upload? Your logging looks like HEX data saved in ASCII format which is not readable, it's easier to save it in HEX format when you are logging HEX data. When you use JSON output it is better to save it in RAW format.
Mind you, when Derek has finished the app filtering messages will be MUCH easier ;-)

So this is what I am getting when running the JSON version. I still have no clue how to just look up a specific message id. When I filtered for "0x01F0A000", the result was nothing. it looks like there is data transmitting, I am just unsure what is what. Also after logging for about minutes, the only ID that was there was 7C, and status would flip from 3 to 2.

{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"181919","payload":["0","0","48","40","0","22","18","19"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"181923","payload":["19","EB","FA","EB","FA","EB","76","B0"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"181927","payload":["FF","82","0","0","0","30","B8","AC"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"181931","payload":["0","0","48","35","0","23","18","19"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"181935","payload":["FF","82","0","0","0","30","B8","AC"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"2","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"181939","payload":["19","DC","FA","EB","FA","EB","76","B0"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"181943","payload":["0","0","48","33","0","23","18","19"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"181946","payload":["FF","82","0","0","0","30","B9","3"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"181950","payload":["0","0","48","3A","0","23","18","19"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"181954","payload":["FF","82","0","0","0","30","B9","3"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"2","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"181957","payload":["19","DC","FA","EB","FA","EB","76","B0"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"181961","payload":["0","0","48","37","0","24","18","19"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"181965","payload":["FF","82","0","0","0","30","B9","3"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"2","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"181969","payload":["19","DC","FA","EB","FA","EB","76","B0"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"181974","payload":["0","0","48","37","0","24","18","19"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"181977","payload":["FF","82","0","0","0","30","B9","3"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"181981","payload":["0","0","48","36","0","24","18","19"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"181985","payload":["FF","82","0","0","0","30","B9","3"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"2","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"181988","payload":["19","DC","FA","EB","FA","EB","76","B0"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"181992","payload":["0","0","48","2C","0","24","18","19"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"181996","payload":["FF","82","0","0","0","30","B8","C2"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182000","payload":["0","0","48","35","0","24","18","19"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182003","payload":["FF","82","0","0","0","30","B8","C2"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"2","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182007","payload":["19","EB","FA","EB","FA","EB","76","B0"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182011","payload":["0","0","48","34","0","24","18","19"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182016","payload":["FF","82","0","0","0","30","B8","C2"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"2","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182019","payload":["19","DC","FA","EB","FA","EB","76","B0"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182023","payload":["0","0","48","3A","0","24","18","19"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182027","payload":["FF","82","0","0","0","30","B8","C2"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182031","payload":["0","0","48","3A","0","24","18","19"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182034","payload":["1A","78","FA","EB","FA","EB","3B","E6"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182038","payload":["FF","82","0","0","0","30","B8","C2"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182042","payload":["0","0","48","38","0","24","18","19"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182046","payload":["FF","82","0","0","0","30","B8","C2"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182049","payload":["0","0","48","2E","0","24","18","19"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182053","payload":["1A","69","FA","EB","FA","EB","3B","E6"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182057","payload":["FF","82","0","0","0","30","B9","5A"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182062","payload":["0","0","48","2E","0","24","18","19"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182065","payload":["FF","82","0","0","0","30","B9","5A"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"2","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182069","payload":["19","CC","FA","CC","FA","DC","76","A1"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182073","payload":["0","0","48","2F","0","24","18","19"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182077","payload":["FF","82","0","0","0","30","B9","5A"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182080","payload":["0","0","48","2F","0","24","18","19"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182084","payload":["FF","82","0","0","0","30","B9","5A"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"2","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182088","payload":["19","DC","FA","EB","FA","EB","76","B0"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182092","payload":["0","0","48","2F","0","24","18","19"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182095","payload":["FF","82","0","0","0","30","B9","5A"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182099","payload":["0","0","48","2F","0","24","18","19"]}}
{"packet": {"status":"3","channel":"Bus 1","length":"8","id":"7C","timestamp":"182104","payload":["1A","78","FA","EB","FA","EB","3B","E6"]}}

OK, first you log everything without a filter. What I did was:

  • I imported the JSON data into excel
  • I copied the column "id" and removed duplicates. Now you can see how many different message ID's you have
  • then I started to use the filter and to filter the message ID 7C in your case above, the code should be:
    if (msg.frame_id==0x007C) ...
  • For each ID I tried if I could detect changes when pressing buttons.
    Is this any help to you?

I figured out my issue. The ecu I am using is not passing the message id info, and or it is defaulting to 7c. So the data is all over the map because I don't have any identifier to filter on. I am making some adjustments to the cipset lib to see if I can get some more details. So if anyone else runs into issues with an AEM Infinity, hit me up :).

Also to rule out the CBT, I am currently running a Uno+CanBus shield. Which generates the exact same data :).

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Good info! :D

I'm busting my but on the app to help make this easier. The wireshark pipe is integrated into the app and working really well also!

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